On a new episode of ID the Future, engineer, lawyer, and computer expert Eric Anderson continues his discussion with host and science historian Mike Keas on what it means that there’s information in DNA, and how this distinguishes it from most other physical objects, such as ice crystals or the rings around Saturn.

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Anderson talks about what intelligence really is and does — and why we know it’s involved in creating the unique information in DNA. He recommends an answer we can give to those who “dig their heels in” and disagree on what information is about.

Photo: Snow flakes as seen through a scanning electron microscope, via Wikimedia Commons.